RACCOMANDO A TUTTI LA LETTURA DELLA TRASCIRIZIONE DELLA INTERVISTA RILASCIATA
A BILL MOYERS, NEL 2003, DA BILL GATES JR!
BUONASERA,
HO UNA PREGHIERA DA RIVOLGERVI:
LEGGETE
QUESTA INTERVISTA RILASCIATA A BILL MOYERS DA BILL GATES, NEL 2003.
E’ LA
PRIMA E, SICURAMENTE, SARA’ ANCHE L’UNICA VOLTA, CHE, PRIMA DI LASCIARE LA
RETE, VI CHIEDO DI FARE PER ME QUALCOSA, CHE POTREBBE TORNARE UTILE A VOI.
SE NON
CONOSCETE L’INGLESE, FATEVI AIUTARE DA GOOGLE TRADUTTORE, MA LEGGETE LA
TRASCRIZIONE INTEGRALE DELLA INTERVISTA.
CI DICE
MOLTO DI LUI E DI SUO PADRE, L’AVVOCATO WILLIAM H. GATES SR, CHE E’ STATO UNO
DEI FONDATORI DI PLANNED PARENTHOOD [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2hK-7tWD3E], UNA
ORGANIZZAZIONE EUGENETICA, NATA DALLA AMERICAN
EUGENICS SOCIETY, FINANZIATA DALLA FAMIGLIA ROCKEFELLER, PRIMA DI ROE VS
WADE E VOTATA A IMPEDIRE LA NASCITA DEI “DEFICIENTI”, DEI POVERI E DEI NERI
ATTRAVERSO LA STERILIZZAZIONE E LA RECLUSIONE IN UNA SORTA DI GHETTO, SEPARATI
DAL RESTO DELLA SOCIETA’ “CIVILE”.
GATES SR
E’ STATO ANCHE NEL CONSIGLIO DI AMMINISTRAZIONE DI UNITED WAY, DI CUI FACEVA PARTE ANCHE SUA MOGLIE, LA MADRE DI BILL
GATES [https://www.gatesfoundation.org/Media-Center/Press-Releases/1999/05/United-Way-of-America].
Margaret Sanger
“Penso che il peccato più grande di tutti sia mettere al mondo i figli – che hanno malattie a causa dei genitori e non avranno la possibilità di diventare esseri umani degni di questo nome. Delinquenti, prigionieri, ogni tipo di cosa che è già inscritta nella nascita. Questo, per me, è il peccato più grande che si possa commettere.”
SONO PAROLE PRONUNCIATE IN UN’INTERVISTA
RILASCIATA, NEL 1957, AL GIORNALISTA MIKE WALLACE DA MARGARET SANGER, GIA’
MEMBRO DELLA AMERICAN
EUGENICS SOCIETY
E ALTRO FONDATORE DI PLANNED PARENTHOOD,
CHE, NEL 1934, AVEVA DICHIARATO ALLA RIVISTA AMERICA WEEKLY:
“È diventato necessario
stabilire un sistema di permesso delle nascite.”
PAROLE CHE NON DIVERGONO MOLTO
DA QUELLE LASCIATECI DA UN SUO CONTEMPORANEO TEDESCO, UN CERTO ADOLF HITLER:
[Lo Stato] ha il dovere di affermare che il
bambino è il bene più prezioso di un popolo. Deve permettere che soltanto chi
non è malato procrei figli, che sia contro la morale il generare bambini quando
si è malati o difettosi e privarsi di ciò risulta il più alto pregio. Ma,
invece, deve essere giudicato biasimevole portar via alla Nazione bambini sani.
Lo Stato deve servirsi, per attuare ciò,
delle più moderne scoperte mediche. Deve affermare che è incapace di procreare
chi soffre di una malattia evidente o chi porta tare ereditarie e che quei mali
può tramandare ai suoi discendenti e causare in realtà questa incapacità.”
BILL GATES
E’, DUNQUE, CRESCIUTO IN UNA FAMIGLIA CHE GLI HA INSEGNATO IL DISCUTIBILE
VALORE DELL’EUGENETICA.
NEL
2000, GATES E SUA MOGLIE MELISSA HANNO FONDATO LA BILL AND MELISSA GATES FOUNDATION, NOTA, IN SEGUITO COME BMGF, CHE, NEL 2015, E’ DIVENUTA LA PIU’
GRANDE ORGANIZZAZIONE DI BENEFICENZA PRIVATA AL MONDO.
GATES PARLA,
SPESSO, DELLA NECESSITA’ CHE GOVERNI E ORGANIZZAZIONI LAVORINO INSIEME,
CONDIVIDENDO INFORMAZIONI E PROGETTI.
SEMBRA
TUTTO COSI’ MERAVIGLIOSO, VERO?
NAZIONI
CHE LAVORANO INSIEME PER RISOLVERE I PROBLEMI DEL MONDO CON IL FILANTROPO BILL
GATES A CAPO DI TUTTE.
BILL
GATES CONTINUA A SPUNTARE IN TUTTO CIO’ CHE RIGUARDA IL COVID 19.
E’
DIVENUTO, IN QUALCHE MODO, IL PORTAVOCE NON UFFICIALE PER LA GESTIONE DELLA
PANDEMIA.
GATES HA
COLTO AL VOLO LA DEBOLEZZA DEI GOVERNI CHE SI SONO TROVATI IMPREPARATI DI
FRONTE A QUESTA PANDEMIA E, POICHE’ LA GESTIONE DELLE MALATTIE E’ IL SUO PANE E
BURRO, SI E’ ASSICURATO MOLTI SETTORI CORRELATI.
IL PIANO GATES PER ELIMINARE LA POVERTA’
NEL MONDO CONSISTE NELL’INONDARE I PAESI IN VIA DI SVILUPPO DI CONTRACCETTIVI E
FARMACI ABORTIVI.
UN PIANO
DURAMENTE CRITICATO DAI VESCOVI DEL KENYA, PER I QUALI LE IDEE DI GATES “PORTANO ALLA DISTRUZIONE DELLA SOCIETA’”.
UNA
BENEFICENZA CHE UCCIDE!
A
MELINDA GATES HA SCRITTO UNA LETTERA APERTA UNA MADRE NIGERIANA.
LEGGIAMOLA
INSIEME!
Growing up in a remote town in Africa, I have always known that a new
life is welcomed with much mirth and joy. In fact we have a special “clarion”
call [or song] in our village reserved for births and another special one for
marriages.
The first day of every baby’s life is celebrated by the entire village
with dancing [real dancing!] and clapping and singing - a sort of “Gloria in
excelsis Deo.”
All I can say with certainty is that we, as a society, LOVE and welcome
babies.
With all the challenges and difficulties of Africa, people complain and
lament their problems openly. I have grown up in this environment and I have
heard women [just as much as men] complain about all sorts of things. But I
have NEVER heard a woman complain about her baby [born or unborn].
Even with substandard medical care in most places, women are valiant in
pregnancy. And once the baby arrives, they gracefully and heroically rise into
the maternal mode.
I trained and worked for almost five years in a medical setting in
Africa, yet I never heard of the clinical term “postpartum depression” until I
came to live in Europe. I never heard it because I never experienced or
witnessed it, even with the relatively high birth rate around me. [I would
estimate that I had at least one family member or close friend give birth every
single month. So I saw at least 12 babies born in my life every year.]
Amidst all our African afflictions and difficulties, amidst all the
socioeconomic and political instabilities, our babies are always a firm symbol
of hope, a promise of life, a reason to strive for the legacy of a bright
future.
So a few weeks ago I stumbled upon the plan and promise of Melinda Gates
to implant the seeds of her “legacy” in 69 of the poorest countries in the
world [most of which are in Sub-Saharan Africa].
Her pledge is to collect pledges for almost $5 billion in order to
ensure that the African woman is less fertile, less encumbered and, yes, she
says, more “liberated.” With her incredible wealth she wants to replace the
legacy of an African woman [which is her child] with the legacy of “child-free
sex.”
Many of the 69 targeted countries are Catholic countries with millions
of Catholic women of child-bearing age. These Catholic women have been rightly
taught by the Church that the contraceptive drug and device is inherently
divisive.
Unlike what we see in the developed Western world, there is actually
very high compliance with Pope Paul VI’s “Humanae Vitae”. For these African
women, in all humility, have heard, understood and accepted the precious words
of the prophetic pope. Funny how people with a much lower literacy level could
clearly understand that which the average Vogue- and Cosmo-reading-high-class
woman has refused to understand. I guess humility makes all the difference.
With most African women faithfully practicing and adhering to a faith [mainly
Christian or in some cases Muslim], there is a high regard for sex in society,
especially among the women. Sex is sacred and private.
The moment these huge amounts of contraceptive drugs and devices are
injected into the roots of our society, they will undoubtedly start to erode
and poison the moral sexual ethics that have been woven into our societal DNA
by our faith, not unlike the erosion that befell the Western world after the
1930 Lambeth conference! In one fell swoop and one “clean” slice, the faithful
could be severed from their professed faith.
Both the frontline healthcare worker dispensing Melinda’s legacy gift
and the women fettered and shackled by this gift, would be separated from
their religious beliefs. They would be put in a precarious position to defy
their faith - all for “safe sex.”
Even at a glance, anyone could see that the unlimited and easy
availability of contraceptives in Africa would surely increase infidelity and
sexual promiscuity as sex is presented by this multi-billion dollar project as
a casual pleasure sport that can indeed come with no strings - or babies -
attached. Think of the exponential spread of HIV and other STDs as men and
women with abundant access to contraceptives take up multiple, concurrent sex
partners.
And of course there are bound to be inconsistencies and failures in the use of these drugs and devices, so health complications could result; one of which is unintended abortion. Add also other health risks such as cancer, blood clots, etc. Where Europe and America have their well-oiled health care system, a woman in Africa with a contraception-induced blood clot does not have access to 911 or an ambulance or a paramedic. No, she dies.
And of course there are bound to be inconsistencies and failures in the use of these drugs and devices, so health complications could result; one of which is unintended abortion. Add also other health risks such as cancer, blood clots, etc. Where Europe and America have their well-oiled health care system, a woman in Africa with a contraception-induced blood clot does not have access to 911 or an ambulance or a paramedic. No, she dies.
And what about disposal of the medical waste? Despite advanced sewage
disposal in the First-world countries, we hear that aquatic life there is still
adversely affected by drugs in the system. In Africa, be rest assured that both
in the biggest cities and smaller rural villages, sewage constitutes a real
problem. So as $4.6 billion worth of drugs, IUDs and condoms get used, they
will need safe disposal. Can someone please show us how and where will that be?
On our farm lands where we get all our food? In our streams and rivers from
whence comes our drinking water?
I see this $4.6 billion buying us misery. I see it buying us unfaithful husbands. I see it buying us streets devoid of the innocent chatter of children. I see it buying us disease and untimely death. I see it buying us a retirement without the tender loving care of our children.
I see this $4.6 billion buying us misery. I see it buying us unfaithful husbands. I see it buying us streets devoid of the innocent chatter of children. I see it buying us disease and untimely death. I see it buying us a retirement without the tender loving care of our children.
Please Melinda, listen to the heart-felt cry of an African woman and
mercifully channel your funds to pay for what we REALLY need.
We need:
- Good healthcare systems [especially
prenatal, neonatal and pediatric care].
Needless to say that postpartum and neonatal deaths are alarmingly high
in many Sub-Saharan African countries. This is due to the paucity of
specialized medical personnel, equipment and systems. Women are not dying
because they are having “too many” babies but because they are not getting even
the most basic postpartum care. A childbirth or labor complication can very
easily be fatal, for both mother and baby. To alleviate this problem new,
well-equipped and well-staffed birthing centers with neonatal units need to be
built in easily accessible parts of the poorest communities. And if Melinda
Gates really insists on reducing population, she can have highly trained
Natural Family Planning [NFP] instructors strategically placed in these women’s
healthcare facilities. At least then there would be a natural and
holistic approach.
- Food programs for young
children.
This would serve a two-fold purpose if it is incorporated into free or
highly subsidized nursery school programs. It would nourish and strengthen the
growth of these children, who are so, so vulnerable to malnutrition, and it
would also serve to encourage parents to bring their youngsters, ages 3 or 4,
to nursery school. In so many parts of Africa, children miss out on nursery school
education because it is expensive and considered a luxury reserved for the rich
and middle class. As a result, the children miss the first few crucial years
when basic math and reading are easily learned. By the time they are
considered “ready” for school, at age 7 or 8, they struggle academically. Many
of them never quite catch up and so drop out after six or seven years. This is
when a lot of young girls are married off as mid- to late-teenage wives who
unfortunately would become the perfect recipient of the Melinda Gates
comprehensive contraceptive care!
- Good higher education opportunities
- Good higher education opportunities
Not just new school buildings or books, but carefully laid out
educational programs that work - scholarships, internships at higher levels,
etc. - are needed. Despite the problems and obstacles to primary and secondary
education, a significant number of young girls make it into universities,
polytechnics or colleges. The problem however is that, most of the schools and
resources are substandard and outdated. As such, the quality of higher
education is low and cannot compare to that of more privileged countries. Even
though the teachers put in their very best and the students work hard, the
system is inadequate and will always produce disadvantaged graduates who are
not confident enough to stand with their counterparts who have studied in other
parts of the world.
- Chastity programs
- Chastity programs
Such programs in secondary schools, universities and churches would
create a solid support system to form, inform and reassure our young girls and
women that real love is that which is healthy and holy. Many African girls are
no longer sure about moral sexual ethics thanks to the widespread influence of
Western media, movies and magazines.
More support should be given to programs that encourage abstinence
before marriage and fidelity in marriage. This approach would go a long way to
combating the spread of HIV and other STDs through the continent. And it would
certainly lead to happier marriages!
- Support for
micro-business opportunities for women
The average African women is incredibly happy, hard-working and resilient. Any support both economic and through training would most probably be used well and wisely.
The average African women is incredibly happy, hard-working and resilient. Any support both economic and through training would most probably be used well and wisely.
- Fortify already
established NGOs that are aimed at protecting women from sex-trafficking,
prostitution, forced marriage, child labor, domestic violence, sex crimes, etc.
Many of these NGOs do not have much success because they are not
well-funded. Though most of them have good intentions, they lack professional
input from those such as psychologists, logisticians or medical personnel
needed to tackle various problems.
$4.6 billion dollars can indeed be your legacy to Africa and other poor
parts of the world. But let it be a legacy that leads life, love and laughter
into the world in need.
MELISSA GATES DIA LORO QUELLO DI CUI HANNO VERAMENTE
BISOGNO!
DA UNA FOTOGRAFIA
MOLTO DETTAGLIATA DI LIVEACTION, LA FONDAZIONE BILL E MELISSA GATES HA DATO,
TRA IL 2009 E IL 2013, 71 MILIONI DI
DOLLARI A PLANNED PARENTHOOD OF AMERICA,
ALLA FEDERAZIONE INTERNAZIONALE DI PLANNED
PARENTHOOD E ALLA PLANNED PARENTHOOD
OF WESTERN WASHINGTON [https://www.liveaction.org/news/fact-check-does-the-gates-foundation-fund-abortion/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=a9918d45303c23a60c8e74493e021b413ac8fa42-1595328316-0-ARX-75ji2lFZBqWmKPBrjF5cZu1-VveQKywU-N3tgrIYa7eiSUtXwk7-Qwbw4j0x7v9FM9K2VNHts91Q75VhZI2nwb--M3DZ7ox3tJwpQSg1Ssz7zBtd3nLMptHoE9ki33KJbR8TLYtW_hHFJ_ONbU0tVgSxQW9v5AQZyywKNl4PFcJis_21Wei3x-BB8zPXR8l0IhIFxwNWGTSWLi787LMxarW0FULoCeAfaqg948sFwH8P9jMOwpJ8wqe_HhTZ0Wri_cmHdk0D1bYniRpFIcaBJuUsBiYb-AVPiQ_nRMYwZjhRr6FVZltsWIevUuU919L2imEPLy8GCS0hdXYH7FL355dFQIwVoKmvf3UYyUMw#more-50633].
OLTRE A
BILL E A MELISSA GATES, LA FONDAZIONE E’ GUIDATA DALL’INVESTITORE MILIARDARIO
WARREN BUFFETT, CHE HA IMPEGNATO LA MAGGIOR PARTE DELLA SUA FORTUNA IN BMGF, nel 2006.
NEL
PERIODO 2017-18, BUFFETT HA DONATO 77 MILIONI DI DOLLARI A PLANNED PARENTHOOD.
IN BILL
GATES E’ EVIDENTE UN NESSO DI CONTROLLO SU SALUTE, POLITICA, SORVEGLIANZA,
FINANZA, ENERGIA, ACQUA E DIGITALE, CHE LO RENDE PERFETTO PER UNA ECONOMIA
GLOBALE.
L’ARCIVESCOVO
CARLO MARIA VIGANO’ COMMENTA QUESTO OBIETTIVO TOSSICO:
“Quella che Lei chiama utopia
in realtà è una distopia,
perché rappresenta la concretizzazione del piano della Massoneria e la
preparazione dell’avvento dell’Anticristo.
Sono altresì convinto
che la maggioranza dei miei Confratelli, e a maggior ragione la quasi totalità
dei sacerdoti e dei fedeli non siano assolutamente consapevoli di questo piano
infernale, e che gli eventi recenti abbiano aperto gli occhi a molti. La loro
fede permetterà a Nostro Signore di riunire il pusillus grex intorno al vero Pastore prima dello scontro
finale.”
IL 15
NOVEMBRE DELLO SCORSO ANNO, DAVID DALEIDEN E SANDRA MERRITT, GIORNALISTI
INVESTIGATIVI DEL CENTER FOR MEDICAL
PROGRESS, CHE, TRA IL 2014 E IL 2015, PARTECIPARONO, SOTTO COPERTURA ALLE
RIUNIONI ANNUALI DELLA NATIONAL ABORTION
FEDERATION, FILMANDO ATTRAVERSO VIDEOCAMERE NASCOSTE I DIALOGHI AVUTI CON
DIRIGENTI DELLA PLANNED PARENTHOOD E
DI AZIENDE BIOTECNOLOGICHE VARIAMENTE COINVOLTE NEL TRAFFICO DI TESSUTI E DI
ORGANI FETALI, SONO STATI CONDANNATI DA UNA GIURIA DI UN TRIBUNALE DI SAN
FRANCISCO, COMPOSTA DA 9 UOMINI E 1 DONNA, A PAGARE OLTRE 2,2 MILIONI DI
DOLLARI – TRA SPESE LEGALI E RISARCIMENTO DANNI – AL COLOSSO ABORTISTA PLANNED PARENTHOOD CON L’ACCUSA DI
VIOLAZIONE DELLA PRIVACY, PER AVERE
NASCOSTO LA LORO IDENTITA’ NEGLI INCONTRI CON I DIRIGENTI DELLE CLINICHE
ABORTIVE E GLI ACQUIRENTI DI TESSUTI E DI AVERE VIOLATO LA COSIDDETTA LEGGE RICO [ACRONIMO DI RACKETEER INFLUENCED
AND CORRUPT ORGANISATIONS], UNA LEGGE FEDERALE STATUNITENSE PER COMBATTERE
LA MAFIA E ALTRE ORGANIZZAZIONI CRIMINALI.
LA PLANNED PARENTHOOD FEDERATION OF AMERICA
[PPFA] E 10 AFFILIATE AVEVANO, INFATTI, ACCUSATO IL CAPO DEL PROGETTO DEL CMP DAVID DALEIDEN, GLI INVESTIGATORI
SANDRA MERRITT E ADRIAN LOPEZ E I CONSIGLIERI FONDATORI ALBIN RHOMBERG E TROY
NEWMAN DELLA RESCUE OPERATION DI REGISTRAZIONE
ILLEGALE E FRODE, IN RELAZIONE ALLA PRESENZA, SOTTO COPERTURA, DEI GIORNALISTI
DEL CMP ALLE CONFERENZE DI PLANNED PARENTHOOD E NATIONAL ABORTION FEDERATION, NEL 2014 E
NEL 2015.
LA
VENDITA DI ORGANI FETALI A SOCIETA’ BIOTECNOLOGICHE E’ UN COMMERCIO ILLEGALE
NEGLI STATI UNITI, DIVERSAMENTE E’ PERMESSO DONARE TESSUTO FETALE ALLA RICERCA.
IL CASO E’
STATO AUDITO DAL GIUDICE DELLA CORTE DISTRETTUALE DEGLI STATI UNITI DI SAN FRANCISCO,
WILLIAM ORRIC III, CHE HA LEGAMI CON PLANNED PARENTHOOD, MA SI E’ RIFIUTATO DI RITIRARSI
QUANDO LA DIFESA NE HA CHIESTO LA RICUSAZIONE [https://www.thomasmoresociety.org/federal-appellate-court-denies-request-to-remove-judge-in-planned-parenthood-video-expose-lawsuit/].
NEL
CORSO DEL PROCESSO, L’AGENTE SPECIALE BRIAN CARDWELL
[https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-testimony-reveals-obama-ag-urged-prosecution-of-pro-life-investigators-daleiden-and-merritt,
https://yournews.com/2019/09/14/1196987/report-california-agent-changes-story-on-loretta-lynch-seeking-probe/, https://nadler.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=391292, https://crescentcitytimes.com/chilling-abuse-of-power-daleiden-case-uncovers-obama-admin-targeting-of-pro-lifers/], HA
TESTIMONIATO CHE L’ORDINE DI INDAGARE SU DAVID DALEIDEN E SANDRA MERRITT PARTI’, NELLA PRIMAVERA DEL 2015, DA UNA DELLE
RAPPRESENTANTI PIU’ IN VISTA DELL’AMMINISTRAZIONE OBAMA: IL PROCURATORE
GENERALE DEGLI STATI UNITI LORETTA ELIZABETH LYNCH, CHE CHIESE, A KAMALA
HARRIS, ALLORA PROCURATORE GENERALE DELLA CALIFORNIA DI INVESTIGARE SUI 2
ATTIVISTI [https://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/09/us/politics/in-line-to-be-attorney-general-loretta-lynch-at-home-in-glare.html, https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32912118, https://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/pressroom/planned-parenthood-action-fund-congratulates-loretta-lynch-her-confirmation-attorney-general, https://www.springfieldnewssun.com/news/national-govt--politics/attorney-general-lynch-calls-planned-parenthood-attack-crime-against-women/NX9MiIQq1dMNPXdrxfSLRI/, https://it.scribd.com/document/272235009/Lee-Letter-to-DOJ-and-HHS-to-conduct-full-investigation-of-Planned-Parenthood].
L’AGENTE
CARDWELL HA, ANCHE, TESTIMONIATO CHE BETH PARKER, RESPONSABILE DELL’UFFICIO
LEGALE DELLA PLANNED PARENTHOOD IN
CALIFORNIA, TRA L’ALTRO FINANZIATRICE DEL PARTITO DEMOCRATICO, AVESSE SOLLECITATO
GLI AGENTI DEL DIPARTIMENTO DI GIUSTIZIA A SEQUESTRARE I DOCUMENTI E LE
APPARECCHIATURE USATE PER LE REGISTRAZIONI.
IL 6
APRILE, LA RESIDENZA DI DALEIDEN E DELLA MERRITT FU PERQUISITA E FURONO
SEQUESTRATI 50MILA FILES.
L’AGENTE
CARDWELL ERA PRESENTE ALLA PERQUISIZIONE.
Barack Hussein Obama e Loretta Elizabeth Lynch.
L’Amministrazione Obama non era nuova agli abusi di potere. Due anni
prima dell’indagine su Planned
Partenthood, nel 2013, si era scoperto che Eric Holder, procuratore
generale, predecessore di Loretta Elizabeth Lynch, avesse messo sotto controllo
i telefoni dell’agenzia Associated Press.
L’agenzia stampa aveva calcolato che fossero stati intercettati, per mesi,
almeno cento suoi giornalisti.
I 14
VIDEO, NEI QUALI SI SENTE PIU’ DI UN DIRIGENTE DELLA PLANNED PARENTHOOD DISCUTERE DETTAGLI RACCAPRICCIANTI SUI TESSUTI
FETALI E SUL LORO PREZZO, SUSCITARONO GRANDE SCANDALO QUANDO VENNERO RESI
PUBBLICI, NEL 2015.
I VIDEO
RIVELAVANO CHE LA STEMEXPRESS ERA IL
PUNTO DI RIFERIMENTO, IN CALIFORNIA, DELLA PLANNED
PARENTHOOD PER QUESTO TRAFFICO E CIO’ NONOSTANTE, L’ANNO DOPO, UN GIUDICE
DISTRETTUALE FEDERALE CONLUSE CHE NON VI ERANO PROVE CHE LE CLINICHE ABORTIVE
AVESSERO VENDUTO ORGANI A SCOPO DI LUCRO.
L’EX-
TECNICO DELLA STEMEXPRESS HOLLY O’DONNELL,
CHE COMPARE IN 2 VIDEO MOLTO CRUDI, HA FORNITO AI LEGALI DEI GIORNALISTI IL
MODULO DI CONSENSO DELLA PLANNED
PARENTHOOD [https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-stemexpress-cuts-ties-with-planned-parenthood-after-fetal-body-par].
LA
MAGGIOR PARTE DEI REPUBBLICANI E IL PRESIDENTE DONALD TRUMP HANNO CERCATO DI
ELIMINARE I FINANZIAMENTI PUBBLICI A PLANNED
PARENTHOOD.
A 5 ANNI
DI DISTANZA, KAMALA HARRIS E’, ORA, UNA SENATRICE DEL PARTITO DEMOCRATICO, CHE
CORRE PER LE PRESIDENZIALI.
IL 10
SETTEMBRE DELLO SCORSO ANNO, ALLA LUCE DELLE TESTIMONIANZE DELL’AGENTE
CARDWELL, CHE CHIAMAVA, DIRETTAMENTE, IN CAUSA L’AMMINISTRAZIONE OBAMA E DELL’AMMINISTRATORE
DELEGATO DELLA STEMEXPRESS, CHE
AVREBBE AMMESSO DI AVERE CEDUTO CERVELLI E CUORI FETALI INTATTI A RICERCATORI DELL’UNIVERSITA’
DI STANFORD, SOLLEVANDO, COSI’, IL
DUBBIO CHE GLI ORGANI FOSSERO STATI PRELEVATI DOPO LA NASCITA DI UN FETO
VIVENTE, IL PROCURATORE GENERALE DELLA CALIFORNIA ORDINAVA IL SILENZIO STAMPA AGLI
AVVOCATI DI DAVID DALEIDEN E DI SANDRA
MERRITT [https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-california-ag-seeks-gag-order-to-restrict-pro-life-reporting-on-daleiden-hearing?fbclid=IwAR3dWmCjTuaBKkr43j7X5MiO7oCJPokXtDu5aGfCQWnA-q0HDcDd1DIt6pg, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgqEE1Dkzpg&feature=emb_title].
RECENTEMENTE,
DIRIGENTI DI PLANNED PARENTHOOD HANNO AMMESSO UN TRAFFICO DI FETI ABORTITI,
VENDUTI ALLE GRANDI CASE FARMACEUTICHE [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMNazcs3JdQ, https://pregnancyhelpnews.com/planned-parenthood-leaders-admit-under-oath-to-harvesting-body-parts-from-babies-born-alive].
LAPLANNED
PARENTHOOD HA DECISO DI SOSTENERE LA CORSA DI JOE BIDEN ALLA CASA BIANCA, DEFINENDO
LE PROSSIME ELEZIONI UNQ QUESTIONE “DI VITA O DI MORTE”.
E BIDEN SI
PROFESSA CATTOLICO!
QUESTO E’
TUTTO, ALMENO PER IL MOMENTO, VI LASCIO ALLA LETTURA DELLA INTERVISTA.
BUONA
SERATA A TUTTI!
Daniela Zini
MOYERS: When I first heard that you were going to give
away billions of dollars to, global health I was skeptical. I mean, no one can
doubt that you know everything there is to know about information technology,
but global health? And I thought, here’s a man surrounded by power and privilege
whose every need and every comfort are met. How could he possibly see the world
through the eyes of an impoverished woman with HIV in India or a hungry,
starving child in Mozambique? How could he possibly get inside of their way of
seeing the world so that what he did wasn’t just a rich man’s hobby?
GATES: Certainly I’ll never be able to put myself in
the situation that people growing up in the less developed countries are in. I’ve
gotten a bit of a sense of it by being out there and meeting people and talking
with them. And one of the gentlemen I met with AIDS talked about how he’d been
kicked out of where he’d lived and how he felt awful he’d given it to his wife
and their struggle to make sure their child didn’t have it, and the whole
stigma thing, which, you know, that’s hard to appreciate. In this country when
you get sick people generally reach out, you know, that’s the time to help
other people and yet some of these diseases it’s quite the opposite.
So what I was thinking about was where my
resources that I’m the steward of be able to make an impact, I thought “okay,
what’s the greatest inequity left?” And to me, and the more I learned about
health and the unbelievable inequity, it kind of stunned me, it shocked me,
every step of the way.
MOYERS: You could have chosen any field, any subject,
any issue and poured billions into it and been celebrated. How did you come to
this one? To global health?
GATES: The two areas that are changing in this amazing
way are information technology and medical technology. Those are the things
that the world will be very different 20 years from now than it is today.
I’m so excited about those advances. And they
actually feed off of each other. The medical world uses the information tools
to do their work. And so when you have those advances you think will they be
available to everyone. Will they not just be for the rich world or even just
the rich people and the rich world? Will they be for the world at large?
The one issue that really grabbed me as urgent
were issues related to population… reproductive health.
And maybe the most interesting thing I learned
is this thing that’s still surprising when I tell other people which is that,
as you improve health in a society, population growth goes down.
You know I thought it was…before I learned about
it, I thought it was paradoxical. Well if you improve health, aren’t you just
dooming people to deal with such a lack of resources where they won’t be
educated or they won’t have enough food? You know, sort of a Malthusian view of
what would take place.
And the fact that health leads parents to
decide, “okay, we don’t need to have as many children because the chance of
having the less children being able to survive to be adults and take care of
us, means we don’t have to have 7 or 8 children.” Now that was amazing.
MOYERS: But did you come to reproductive issues as an
intellectual, philosophical pursuit? Or was there something that happened? Did
come up on… was there a revelation?
GATES: When I was growing up, my parents were almost
involved in various volunteer things. My dad was head of Planned Parenthood.
And it was very controversial to be involved with that. And so it’s
fascinating. At the dinner table my parents are very good at sharing the things
that they were doing. And almost treating us like adults, talking about that.
My mom was on the United Way group that decides
how to allocate the money and looks at all the different charities and makes
the very hard decisions about where that pool of funds is going to go. So I
always knew there was something about really educating people and giving them
choices in terms of family size.
GATES: I have to say I got off the track when I
started Microsoft, I thought okay now I have my, you know, my passion. At least
for the next 40 years or so. And when my mom said to me, “oh you have to do a
United Way campaign,” I said to my mom, “mom this is serious stuff now. That
was all nice to talk about but you know I’ve got to pay these people and if we
don’t get enough contracts. And this is a very competitive environment. And so
this whole notion that we’re gonna sit around and drink tea and do United Way
campaigns, I don’t think we have time for that.”
But she kept working on me and saying, “no, this
is a good thing.” And had me meet with other people.
So finally I thought, “okay I’ll fit it into my
framework” which is getting the employees to kind of feel more bonded, more of
a team. You know, and appreciate the unique position they’re in. And so we made
a United Way Fund. We had contests around it. We had the agencies come in.
But a little bit I have drifted away from
thinking about these philanthropic things. And it was only as the wealth got
large enough and Melinda and I had talked about the view that that wealth wasn’t
something that would be good to just pass to the children.
Because in a wealth of any kind of magnitude
like that, it’s actually more — haven’t asked tem their opinion yet — but more
of a handicap than it is of a benefit. So you know once you decide that over 95
percent of it’s going back to society, then you do start talking about where it
will go.
And so Melinda and I were having those
conversations. But we only had one or two projects that we thought we’d get
into early. We thought, okay, this is mostly for many decades from now.
MOYERS: You were clearly competent at making money. Did
you doubt your competence in giving it away?
GATES: I actually thought that it would be a little
confusing during the same period of your life to be in one meeting when you’re
trying to make money, and then go to another meeting where you’re giving it
away. I mean is it gonna erode your ability, you know, to make money? Are you
gonna somehow get confused about what you’re trying to do?
MOYERS: It’s a nice confusion. It’s a very nice confusion.
GATES: So, you know, I didn’t want to mix those two
things together. The big milestone event for me though was… a report was done,
it’s called “The World Development Report 1993” that talked about these
diseases. And I remember seeing the article and it showed that Rotavirus over a
half million children per year. And I said to myself, that can’t be true.
You know after all, the newspaper, whenever
there’s a plane crashing and 100 people die, they always report that. How can it
be that this disease is killing a half million a year? I’ve never seen an
article about it until now. And it wasn’t even an article about that. It was
just a graph that had you know these 12 diseases that kill, most of which I had
never heard of.
And so I thought, this is bizarre. Why isn’t it
being covered? You know, and there’s a mother and a father behind every one of
these deaths that are dealing with that tragedy.
And so then I got drawn in a little bit.
And there was one dinner after we’d given our
first vaccination grant. I think it was 125 million. All these doctors came.
And they’re… they thought, “okay, this is a dinner where I’m supposed to just
say thank you, thank you. And you know try not to use the wrong fork or
something.”
So they’re there, and you know it’s a nice
dinner. But after about 15 minutes I say to them, “yeah. Well, it’s okay. You’ve
thanked me enough. But what would you do if you had more money?” And they’re
all kind of like, “well, does he really mean that? Is he serious?”
I said “yeah, what if you had, you know, ten
times as much money. What would you do?” And then the guy who’s worked his
whole life on Hepatitis B speaks up and the guy who’s working on AIDS speaks
up, and the guy who’s working on Immucocal speaks up.
And so it started opening the door to saying,
you know, it’s sort of a ‘bad news’ story in that governments are not giving
the money, they’re treating human life as being worth a few hundred dollars in
the world at large. And that’s, you know, in almost a factor of a thousand
difference between how it’s treated in the rich world versus in the rest of the
world.
MOYERS: Oscar Wilde once said, “it’s the mark of a
truly educated man,” and I’m sure he would today say woman, “it’s the mark of a
truly educated man to be deeply moved by statistics.” What is that capacity
that enables someone to transform a fact or figure on a page to a human being a
long way off?
GATES: I think there is a general difficulty of
looking at a number and having it have the same impact as meeting a person. I
mean if we said right now, there’s somebody in the next room who’s dying, let’s
all go save their life. You know, everybody would just get up immediately and
go get involved in that.
When my daughter whose 7 saw this video, you know,
showing the kid who’s got difficulty walking because of polio, her reaction
was: “Who is that? Where are they? Let’s go help them. Let’s go meet that kid.
What if he gets polio in his other leg?”
You know, so she’s immediately drawn into that
human on the screen.
It’s a lot easier to connect to the story of the
one person or the five people. It now, you know, because I’m mathematically
literate, you know I know that when there’s 3 million kids every year dying of
things that are completely preventable with the technology we have today. You
know I can try and magnify how I feel about that one situation by a factor of 3
million. It’s tough. But at least you know it’s super important.
MOYERS: What does it say to you that half of all 15
year olds in South Africa and Zimbabwe could lose their lives to AIDS? What
does it say to you that 11 million children, roughly, die every year from
preventable diseases?
What does it say to you that of the 4 million
babies who die within their first month, 98 percent are from poor countries?
What do those statistics tell you about the world?
GATES: It really is a failure of capitalism. You know
capitalism is this wonderful thing that motivates people, it causes wonderful
inventions to be done. But in this area of diseases of the world at large, it’s
really let us down.
MOYERS: But markets are supposed to deliver goods and
services to people.
GATES: And when people have money it does. You know
when our foundation is not involved in the diseases of the rich world. Not, you
know, those are very important, but the market is working there. Between the
basic research that the government funds, through NIH. The bio-tech companies.
The pharmaceutical companies. You know incredible things will happen with
cancer and heart disease over these next 20 or 30 years. Because that’s a case
where capitalism is at work.
MOYERS: There’s a profit in it. There’s a profit in it.
GATES: Right. Here what we have is, with the plural
disease, not only don’t the people with money have the disease, but they don’t
see the people who have the disease. If we took the world and we just
re-assorted each neighborhood to be randomly mixed up, then this whole thing
could get solve.
Because you’d look out your window and you’d
say, you know there’s mother over there whose child is dying. You know let’s go
help that person. This problem, the lack of visibility, it’s partly you don’t
read about it, you don’t see it. It’s the silence that’s allowing this to
happen.
MOYERS: Was there an “Aha!” moment? Was there a moment
of eureka when you realized what you’re just saying and said, “this is where we’re
gonna put our billions”?
GATES: I know when I saw that article on the World
Development Report, I said, this can’t be true, but if it is true, this deserves
to be the priority of our giving. And so I took the article and Melinda read
it. I gave it to my dad and said, you know can you have the people you’re
working with, tell me is this some aberration here? Or if this is true, give me
more things to read.
It was a shock, but then, you know it was an
answer to say that governments weren’t doing it.
And so maybe we could help step in. And maybe
not just our resources, but maybe we could galvanize some interest and
attention and IQ to go and look at these problems and think you know if I have
the technology that can you know stop mosquitoes from carrying these diseases.
Or allow vaccines to be delivered without a refrigerator, you know I have saved
millions of lives by coming up with those ideas.
MOYERS: I talked on Saturday to one of the leading
public health officials in the world. One of the pioneers in this field. And he
said you once asked him for a list of books. And he provided you with a list of
books. And the next time he had seen you just a few months later, you’d read 17
of them. I mean do you ever read anything for fun? Do you ever read your
e-mails?
GATES: There was about six months where I was carrying
around about 10 issues of The Morbidity & Mortality Weekly Report. And
people would see that on my desk at work and what the heck? You’re reading The
Morbidity & Mortality Weekly Report. You know I’d say to them, yes, use
this one from the 1980s when AIDS came out. This is a real collector’s item
here.
Actually it’s taken a lot of different books to
get you know the different perspectives and try and understand what could be
done.
MOYERS: It’s one thing to read a book, it’s one thing
to read the statistic, one thing to read a graph, it’s another thing to read a
human being’s face. Did you go into the field?
GATES: Yes. And it’s awkward. I’m not you know
particularly good at this. Maybe I’ll never be good at it. But to walk around
to each patient and ask you know what is your problem? And be respectful of,
you know, their desire for privacy.
But I think it is very important. If people got
out like that you know these problems would get addressed.
MOYERS: There was a trip you took to Soweto in South
Africa that was decisive in your thinking. Tell me about that.
GATES: Well we took a computer and we took it to this
community center in Soweto. And generally there wasn’t power in that community
center. But they’d rigged up this thing where the-- the cord went 200 yards to
this place where there was a generator. You know powered by diesel. So this computer
got turned on. And when the press was there it was all working just fine.
And it-- it-- it was ludicrous, you know. It was
clear to me that the priority issues for the people who lived there in that
particular community were more related to health than they were to having that
computer. And so there’s certainly a role for getting computers out there. But
when you look at the, say, the 2 billion of the 6 billion the planet who are
living on the least income. You know they deserve a chance. And that chance can
only be given by improving the health conditions.
GATES: the thing that’s so stark is that you’re in
Johannesburg which is sort of a first world location. And you’re talking with
banks about their software and you know it’s, if you like, it’s not that much
different than being in the United States.
And then you drive about 5 miles and you’re in
one of the most poor areas you’ve ever been in. You know those houses that are
built out of the corrugated iron which you know and the heat is just unbearable.
It’s very jarring to go from this experience in
the city and to this other experience and have them be so close together. You
think well how come it’s so different in such a small distance?
MOYERS: What is your answer to how it is that the resources
of the world are so misallocated?
GATES: It’s a mistake.
MOYERS: But somebody has to make a mistake. Who makes
it?
GATES: I think we make it every day by thinking that
national borders are you know allow huge inequities to exist across those borders.
And I do think this next century, hopefully,
will be about a more global view. Where you don’t just think, yes my country is
doing well. But you think about the world at large. There is one excuse that
people have for not paying attention to this. It’s not a valid excuse but.
And that is that things have been improving
despite the research money not being in place applied the right way. Infant
mortality or life expectancy, even in the countries in the worst situation,
infant mortality is lower today than it was in the best country 120 years ago.
Now there are things that come along like the
AIDS epidemic that send it in the other direction. And we shouldn’t be willing
to wait you know and have it take 50 or 100 years for these medicines, the new
vaccines, that kind of treatment, to be wide-spread.
MOYERS: Have you made any progress on safe birth
reproductive family planning issues?
GATES: Yes. There’s a measurable impact when you can
go in and educate families, but primarily women, about their different choices.
There’s real impact that you can have in this
area. Anything to do with reproductive health. Whether it’s maternal mortality,
infant mortality, there’s new ideas. There’s more people getting involved.
MOYERS: One of my colleagues accompanied your father
and Jimmy Carter when they went to Africa not long ago. The footage was
striking. There was your father and Jimmy Carter, the former President of the
United States sitting on the doorstep talking about condoms as if you were
talking about computers. Are you comfortable dealing that openly with people’s
habits? People’s behavior?
GATES: Well, it’s interesting. The AIDS is a disease
that is hard to talk about.
MOYERS: That visit that my dad did, the Health Minister
had never been in that neighborhood. And so they invited him to come. And
people didn’t think he would. But he actually did come and then got involved
and said, okay, we’re gonna do free condom distribution to this neighborhood
because of the impact that that can have.
MOYERS: Someone told me, actually a couple of weeks ago
that, we’d actually be better off if you’d spend more money on distributing
condoms than on this research on AIDS at the moment. That it’s the immediate
need that people have to you know about their behavior that is the biggest
problem the world faces with AIDS. What do you think about that?
GATES: The ideal thing would be to have a 100 percent
effective AIDS vaccine. And to have broad usage of that vaccine. That would
literally break the epidemic. Because that it’s not known how long that’ll
take, and the best case is probably in a 10 to 15 year timeframe, we also have
to put huge energy into treatment of the people who have it today.
We’ve got to put a lot of money into changing
behavior. Which we’ve funded a number of things in that. And there’s even an
intermediate intervention that we think is very important, which is a
microbicide.
MOYERS: A what?
GATES: A macrobicide.
MOYERS: What is that?
GATES: Okay that’s a gel that a woman could use to block
sexual transmission without the male even knowing that it’s being used,
ideally.
MOYERS: That requires a great discipline of passion and
the question that arises you know how to motivate your Microsoft employees. You
know how to affect their behavior by the rewards that you hold out. How does
the world affect the behavior of people at a sexual level?
GATES: It’s a bit… that’s a very tough problem. It’s
particularly tough if political leaders aren’t willing to speak out. You know
there’s been really just a few countries where the politicians said, this is so
important for the welfare of our citizens. And even though it involves you know
drug use, and sex workers. They were gonna get up and say that it was a crisis
for the country. That happened in Thailand.
MOYERS: Right.
GATES: That’s the only country that really caught the
potential epidemic at the early stage. It happened in Uganda but it happened
after the disease had already progressed to about a 20 percent prevalence.
It’s not happening to the degree it should in
other countries. And anyone who thinks it’s confined to Africa is gonna get
quite a wake-up call that already in India there’s been five and 10 million
people who have AIDS. And it’s only a question of how many tens of millions or
you know perhaps more than 100 million people in India who will get this
disease.
And yet, intervening early, is when you can the
biggest effect.
MOYERS: I interviewed Dr. David Ho a couple of weeks
ago. He’s made the great research breakthrough — TIME’s Man of the Year for it.
He’s now worried about China, where his forbearers came from.
GATES: I was in China just two weeks ago talking to
the Health Minister and talking to Jiang Zemin about raising the profile there.
And they have — for their level of income —
quite a strong health system. And quite, you know, a willingness to say, okay,
if this is about sex workers we’ll go in and we’ll register the sex workers.
And we’re gonna make sure that certain behavioral changes are taking place,
like Thailand did.
And so I think the right thing will happen
there. They will need international support. They’ll need more encouragement to
make sure it gets done.
MOYERS: What do you think about the Bush’s
administration retreat from women’s health issues, reproductive rights around
the world. Not only their retreat from it, but their outright opposition and
their effort to impede it?
GATES: We’ve got to make sure that that money really
gets allocated. And we’ve got to make sure it gets used effectively.
MOYERS: But they’re not supporting contraception. They’re
not supporting condom distribution. They’re not supporting safe sex.
GATES: Part of the problem is that the citizenry doesn’t
speak up enough and make it a big issue.
MOYERS: You know mean make global health a grassroots
issue?
GATES: That’s right. And yet if you grab somebody and
say, do you care about this thing…
MOYERS: Yeah.
GATES: You can engage them very quickly. But it’s not
on the agenda.
MOYERS: How do we do that?
GATES: And so well, I’m thinking a lot about that. I’m
interested in any ideas. Because this is about human welfare. You know, how we
deal with the AIDS epidemic should be one of the greatest ways that the world
gets measured. The report card for this era these next few decades.
A big part of that grade should be, did we apply
all of the world’s resources and activities and visibility against the AIDS
crisis. And yet, to the average voter, you know, it’s not on the radar screen.
There’s only about $6 a year given to world health issues by the U.S. and we’re
quite a legged in our giving.
We have to go out and regalvanize people that
the role of the United States is not just what we do in the area of security,
it’s also sharing our advances and our resources. And if somebody wants to
think about the chance of terrorism in the decades ahead, I think this issue of
how young people outside the U.S. think of our country; what is the role of the
U.S. in terms of creating opportunity for them?
And if we don’t step up to these health issues,
you know we’re really not answering that critical issue.
MOYERS: What would you like the average American to
know about global health?
GATES: I think understanding the basic facts about the
AIDS epidemic is important. I think knowing how little resources are going into
these things. Knowing that this is not a case of government waste. I mean there’s
this notion of government spending in general and foreign aid that often ends
up in some dictators bank account.
In the area of world health, we’re actually
coming into the country with vaccines. And you’re working at the village level
to measure coverage there. There we can be very effective. This is not money
that 20 years from now we’re gonna wake up and say, how was that money spent?
We’ll know how it was spent because we look at the stopping the disease
progression.
And so it is a special thing that the cynicism
about government spending should be suspended here because it can be handled in
the right way.
MOYERS: In this country we have eliminated diphtheria
and whooping cough. All of those childhood diseases that were still prevalent
when I was a kid years ago. The vaccines exist but we do not get them to the
people whose lives… the children whose lives would be saved right now if they
had it. Why don’t they get to the people, the kids who need them?
GATES: Well the biggest single initiative we’ve done
is the vaccine fund. And that was 750 million to galvanize the world to say,
okay let’s enter a new phase where we raise vaccination coverage from the
little bit less than 70 percent it is today. And we get the new vaccines in
there.
You know the Hepatitis B, the pneumococcal,
there’s about four that we have here in the U.S., that are not being given
worldwide.
The total cost of getting vaccines, a package to
a child, is about $30. And even if we add in the new vaccines, we’d still be at
less than $50 of cost for this delivery. And so that money which was
supplemented to some degree by governments and others but not as much as we had
hoped is very directly related to this vaccination coverage.
MOYERS: What do you think are the major diseases that
we’re gonna have to deal with in the next 25 years?
GATES: Well top of the list is certainly AIDS. It’s
very epidemic. And I don’t think AIDS even recognized how bad the epidemic
could become.
If you were gonna design a bad disease you
probably couldn’t do something worse than AIDS. The latency, the fact that you’re
infected and you don’t actually see the health effects till six to eight years
later, that causes people not to understand what’s going on.
You know take something like smoking: say that
instead of dying 30 years later of cancer, that instead you smoked and you just
dropped dead right then. You know people would get the connection. Oh. He smoked.
He died. That’s not good. Let’s not smoke anymore.
Well AIDS is like that, where you just don’t see
the impact on a society. You know if people, someone visiting a sex worker
walked out and they just fell on the street, you know there would be a pile of
bodies there and you’d say, okay something’s going on here.
The fact that there’s these little epidemics of
hemorrhagic fevers, they get incredible publicity. Ebola, Marburg, Lassa. You
know and it’s literally in the hundreds of people. But because it’s all of a
sudden that they die, that gets more visibility almost than AIDS gets.
GATES: You know plane crashes in India and the same
day the plane crashed 8,000 kids died of things that could have been prevented.
Which gets the coverage? Well, you don’t expect coverage every day, but maybe
at least once a month they ought to just say, by the way, every day this month,
we don’t want you to forget, just two paragraphs you know. 8,000 people are
dying every day. And we’ll let you know when it changes, but so far it’s been
that case for a long, long time.
MOYERS: Isn’t it true that in Africa more children die
of respiratory illness than people die of AIDS?
GATES: Because of this latency, 5 million people were
infected this year. And so AIDS will be #1 in terms of the cause of death.
Infant mortality is still higher, and the biggest piece of infant mortality is
acute respiratory infection.
MOYERS: Yeah.
GATES: Generally pneumonia-related diseases. And so
they both should be dealt with. In fact there are vaccines although they’re
still very expensive, that can deal with the respiratory problems of infants.
MOYERS: Are you looking for a vaccine for malaria?
Because malaria kills a lot of people.
GATES: Yeah. In terms of what’s #2, you’d probably put
malaria. Malaria not only kills a million people a year, but at any time there’s
300 million people who are being debilitated by the disease.
And if you took the top 10 diseases that are
really troublesome in Africa, a lot of them you wouldn’t know the names of. I
mean you know Lice Maniasis, Sisto-Somaisis. Even something like trachoma that
wouldn’t make the top 20.
MOYERS: Trachoma is?
GATES: It’s… you get an infection in your eye and you
start itching and it’s the leading cause of preventable blindness. Because
eventually you itch and your eye turns in and you lose your sight. And yet you
know Zithromax is this anti-biotic that if you give it-- actually can prevent
the disease. And if you get enough people taking it then you stop the spread of
that disease. And yet it doesn’t… it wouldn’t make the top 20…
MOYERS: Can you think we will find a vaccine for
malaria? Some people say it’s impossible. It’s such a complex disease.
GATES: No doubt. First of all, I’m an optimist, so… I
should explain that. But there is…with malaria, there is innate immunity. That
is if you get the disease, you are… it’s very… except for different strains,
you don’t get it again. And so the immune system clearly does recognize
something in the course of that disease.
And so all we have to do is take the sequencing
information and try and find out what that is. You know I’d say quite certainly
within the next 20 years and ideally in the next 10 we’ll have a good vaccine
for malaria.
MOYERS: In business, the market kicks you in the pants
if you make a mistake. In philanthropy, some of your mistakes are celebrated
because you gave the money and nobody ever came back to ask what happened?
GATES: We have to be really brutal with ourselves on
this. We will make mistakes.
But then again, you’ve got to take risks. I mean
that’s one of the things a philanthropist can do that governments aren’t as
well suited to do. A politician doesn’t want to allocated money if it’s a one
out of three chance of doing something really good, because, you know, then two
out of three they’ll have to stand up and say it was a waste.
Whereas a philanthropist can say, “Okay. But we
will take that risk.” Because the payoff would be there. And, you know, we’re…
I’m not gonna get voted out of office if in fact it’s a dead end.
So we should be doing the things that the normal
approaches can’t do, whether it’s approaches to the AIDS vaccine or malaria or
delivery systems. We’ve got to be out there and accept some kind of failure
rate.
MOYERS: Is the basic problem that we don’t have enough
knowledge to solve global health issues?
Or is it poverty? I mean if I’m forced to live
on $1 a year, I’m not gonna be able to afford any medical care… I mean $1 a
day. I’m not gonna be able to afford an aspirin. I’m not gonna be able to
afford to make that trip to that clinic.
Your children, my children, my grandchildren. We
can afford, they can afford decent medical care. Isn’t poverty the real issue
here?
GATES: It shouldn’t be. The benefit to the world, both
on a humanitarian basis but even on a pure economic basis of dealing with these
diseases is… it’s quite clear and quite positive. I actually get angry when
people try and justify these health things in economic terms. You know like you’ll
read a paper that says, you know, “If malaria was cured, the GNP of this
country would be 30 percent higher.”
That gets it so backwards. I mean it’s true.
Statistically it’s true and I suppose there’re some audiences that you’ve got
to use that argument. But the whole wealth is a tool to measure human welfare.
It’s just a tool that we created to help us sort of incentivize people and help
get things done.
If death doesn’t get reflected in GNP, then that
doesn’t mean it’s unimportant. If the suffering in malaria doesn’t get
reflected in those numbers, it’s still very important. So we shouldn’t have to
resort to these economic arguments.
Some people resort to security arguments. They
say, “If we don’t cure these diseases, the instability in these countries will
be bad. And, you know, that could be scary.” Or they resort to the, you know, “It’s
coming to your neighborhood argument.” That, you know, somebody could get on a
plane from one of these places and, you know, you might get sick. I mean don’t
worry about these people, but you might get sick.
And those, you know, those arguments, if they
get more money for world health, then fine. I won’t object. But they’re wrong.
The right argument is, you know, this mother’s child is sick. And that child’s
life is no less valuable than the life of anyone else. And the world has plenty
of resources to go solve these problems.
MOYERS: Let’s say that everybody agreed with you. That
they wanted to do the moral thing. What practically could we do? You’ve already
admitted the market doesn’t get there. It doesn’t get to Uganda. It doesn’t get
to Nepal. It doesn’t get to Mozambique. It doesn’t get to places where people
as you and I talk are dying from malaria, tuberculosis, AIDS, all kinds of
disease.
The market doesn’t do it. How do we do it?
Every, you know, $27 billion is a lot of money, I think. But it’s a drop in the
bucket compared to what you’ve been describing. So what do we do practically?
GATES: For the U.S. to do its fair share, we’d have to
take the $6 per citizen that is spent on foreign health issues and we’d have to
raise that to $30 to $40.
And if other rich countries did their part, then
there would be the money to give the vaccines, to create the new vaccines. To
give oral rehydration therapy. To have the education in the villages. You know
then the whole picture of health would change quite dramatically.
You know public health doctors I know talk about
the positive feedback loop in poor countries. If parents believe their children
will get better, they save more and they reproduce less, therefore there’s less
money… there’s more money for other things. Do you accept that as a workable
theory?
GATES: Absolutely. And that is the most amazing fact
that should be widely known. You know essentially Malthus was wrong. If you
raised wealth and you improve health, particularly if you educate women, then
this virtuous cycle kicks in and a society not only becomes self-sustaining,
but it can move up to a fully developed status.
The Club of Rome was writing about how we were
basically headed towards a disaster. That the amount of food that the world
would produce would be inadequate and you know that things would just get worse
and worse and worse.
Well, now at least in the countries where health
has taken hold, we’re seeing literacy rates improve. We’re seeing, you know,
everything about life improve. Once you get this one thing right. And that was
something that was quite a revelation to me. I, you know, I frankly thought
that the Malthusian principles applied at least in the developing countries.
But because of computer technology now in
medicine, advances will move at a incredible pace. The next 20 or 30 years will
be the time to be in medicine. Many of the top problems, I’d say most of the
top problems, we’ll make huge advances against.
Just think about a kid who’s curious, say, about
malaria. They can go onto the Internet today and, you know, see what’s going
on. Try, you know, they can even see the genome if they want. They can see the
papers that have been published by different labs.
So I get very excited about how the generation
that’s coming into health right now, the visibility, particularly of these poor
world diseases, you know the information now is in their hands. And they ought
to be able to do quite a bit with it.
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